How Microsoft Will Die

by James R. Stoup Jul 01, 2005

Longhorn, by the features

WFS: Cut
.NET Framework: Cut
MONAD: Cut
Integrated Search: Cut
Avalon: Who knows?
Indigo: Who knows?
IE7: You can repaint a Kia, lower it down, put rims on it and think you are cool, but at the end of the day it is still a Kia.

And so it goes, on and on. Feature after feature is cut, promise after promise is broken, and what do we have at the end of the day? XP SP3. If Microsoft fails to deliver something approaching decent with Longhorn then they will be in trouble. Big trouble. And most people haven’t even realized this yet. But they will soon enough.

Why are they in trouble?

Momentum. It all boils down to momentum. Google has it. Sony has it. Apple has it pouring out of its orifices, Microsoft though. . .not so much. 

You see momentum is what pushes that reluctant manager to go ahead and upgrade his system instead of waiting for something better or (very scary music plays in the background) switching to Linux. Momentum is what gets a word of mouth campaign going that convinces your everyday user to go out and buy the latest OS. Momentum is what keeps the media friendly, sort of. 

But lately MS has been getting all of the wrong types of momentum. They aren’t getting that “battering ram” momentum no, it’s more like at sinking ship momentum. You see the ram is going through, but the ship is going down. Big difference.

Right now Microsoft can’t even hold a press release about Longhorn without either saying its going to be delayed again or that they are cutting even more features. This really makes them look incompetent. I mean, I know they are incompetent but this really lets the rest of the world in on the joke as well.

And no matter how they spin it they have now reached the point where it’s impossible to make the situation sound any better than it is. Three years ago they could have made these announcements from a position of strength. Two years ago they could have made these announcements and then lied heavily in hopes of saving face. One year ago they made these announcements and it started looking really scary for anyone whose business depended on Longhorn. And now this year these announcements make them look like a company that is adrift, with no real vision, desperately trying not to drown. Congratulations Bill you have officially lost any momentum you thought you might have had. 

The 3 nails in the MS coffin

In order of importance:

1. Microsoft
They have always been their worst enemy. Shoddy software practices are forced on programmers due to incompetent managers which in turn produces the mess that is Longhorn. Even if the computing world was relatively quiet (which it isn’t, not by a long shot) then MS would still be in deep horse pucky over the gross stupidity that their leadership has shown. And to make matters even worse management has now realized that this time there isn’t going to be a “quick fix”. There are no more features left to cut. This time the deadline is real because their competitors are getting their act together in a way that hasn’t ever happened before.

2. Apple
Making matters worse is Steve Jobs. He has Apple humming like fine tuned violin. Tiger is everything Apple promised and its only been released for three months or so. And I imagine things are only going to improve.  And if that wasn’t enough Apple is going to squeeze out yet another OS before Microsoft can get Longhorn out the door. Ouch, yet another kick in the balls. Then you have this whole Macintel thing going on plus rumors about the iPod/ITMS/movie business all of which draw the attention of the media towards Apple’s successes.

3. Linux
Never forget Linux. They may be a disorganized, fragmented group who may not present a challenge on the desktop but they are chipping away slowly at MS’s dominance. Then on the server side Microsoft has finally realized that they are fighting a losing war. And this is evidenced by the growing number of MS backed “independent” research groups claiming Windows server is (pick one, cheaper, better, faster, more secure etc.). Those tactics speak of desperation. They are a smear campaign plain and simple.

Mindshare
This is a good indication of how bad the situation currently is and how much worse its going to get. Think about how much of a market share Apple has. Something like 3% of yearly sales with an install base of about 10-15%. Now, think about its mindshare. What is mindshare you ask? Well, its the extent to which people know about a phenomenon. The iPod has enormous mind share. You might not own one yourself but chances are you know someone who has does. The iPod alone has made Apple’s mindshare sky rocket. Now factor in the ITMS and how profitable it has been. Now think about the recent announcement of their switch to Intel. And then there is the ever present rumors about them starting a movie store much like the iTMS. People can’t stop talking about Apple and Jobs is just fanning the flames, trying his best to fuel the fires and feed the rumor mills.

And all the while the media focuses on Apple do you know who they aren’t talking about? Microsoft. Think about all of the buzz that MS has gotten in the past when they released a new operating system. And here they are about to release an item they claim is their most revolutionary product ever and . . . no one is listening. No one cares. Redmond is no longer where all of the news is coming from. If you are about to release a killer product, something that is going to save your company and allow you to ride its success for years to come, the last thing you want to hear are yawns.

News flash! Longhorn is going to be drastically overshadowed by Leopard and Macs running Intel. Make no mistake about it, Jobs is a master showman. As such, he will wait untill the best moment possible and then try and wow the world with all of Apple’s new toys. Who wants to cover a stripped down, bare bones, bug infested OS like Longhorn (which is already being called XP SP3 if that gives you any indication of how bad things are) when you can go look at Leopard running on a pumped up PowerMac with Intel’s latest and greatest chip inside?

Linux learns to game

More bad news for MS is called Cedega. And do you know why it is bad? Because it allows Windows only games to be played on a version of Linux called Linspire. Uh oh. Thats not good.

Gaming is the one area in which Microsoft can truly call their own. No one really even competes with them on the desktop as far as gaming goes. Anything else and Apple and Linux can put up a good fight but not when it comes to games. Until now. With the release of this product Half Life, GTA, Doom 3 and the rest can now be played in Linux. And if they can do it for Linux then they can do it for Mac.  And that simple fact should scare the heck out of Microsoft. Because if that program is ported to OS X then the top games in the industry can be played on a Mac, using Intel’s fastest chip, using NVidia’s best graphics card on a 30” aluminum display. Over night PowerMacs could become the best gaming rig in history.

And remember, its gamers who drive companies to produce the best product possible. Normal people don’t go out and buy the latest and greatest stuff just because it’s out, gamers do. When you are playing Doom 3 you want it to be as realistic as possible and if that means buying a $300 video card then they will do it. If that means buying the fastest processor they will do it. And if that means upgrading to the newest OS then they will do it. Say, we don’t know anyone coming out with a new OS any time do we?

Realistically how long do you think gamers will stick with Windows if it turns out that the best gaming experience can be had on a Mac? And if the rumors are true and Apple does bring AltiVec to the Intel side of things then it is quite possible that Apple may be the ones who very soon are producing the fastest computers anywhere. And remember, gamers always want more power.

Women and children first

Here is my best shot at what Microsoft could do to try and turn things around:

1. Admit defeat
If only to themselves MS has to admit that Longhorn is a complete and utter failure. To have come this far, spent this much money and wasted this much time to ultimately produce an OS which barely has any of the features that was to make it great, is a beyond pathetic. Time to own up to the fact that everybody screwed up.

2. Thin the herd
First one out the door needs to be Ballmer. He is an idiot on a good day and he has just reinforced that image with his bungling of the Longhorn situation. After he goes then its time to go down the line trimming the fat and doing some serious house cleaning. Once that is done then look outside the company for a few decent managers.

3. Do your best
Since Longhorn is the only thing you got at the moment that is what they are going to have to sell. Try to make the best out of a bad situation. This is the point at which you should be treading water while you work on something else.

4. Dump it
Throw all of the current Windows code away. All of it. Everything from 9x to XP to Longhorn, everything has to go. It’s all crap and its time to jettison those reeking piles of poorly written, buggy code.

5. Start over
This may be the hardest pill of all to swallow but the way I see it they have two choices. Plan A, try and make a new OS from the ground up. Just like the people who designed Unix, security and stability have to be your main goals. But that approach is going to take time, a lot of time in fact. And time is something that MS doesn’t have much of right now. So, they might want to look at plan B. Plan B involves doing pretty much what Apple did. Use BSD as the core of your OS then build around it. Now, I realize that doing this would be a major embarrassment and would require the biggest software company on earth to swallow its pride, but ultimately they would see that it’s the best choice.

6. Decouple
There is no need to make IE so deeply attached to your kernel. Bad things happen when you do stuff like that. Same thing with Media Player, uncouple it. Strive to make the system as small as possible. You build the basic system and then offer pieces that can be attached as needed.

7. Move on
It’s time to tell the public that if they want to use the newest applications for then they need to upgrade. Everyone who still uses 98 has to get real. All of you still using 95 need your head examined. And any of you using ME, God help you. Microsoft needs to stand up and inform people that they will no longer bend over backwards to accommodate their old, clunky, piece of crap software. Its time to update all of your applications. 95, 98, ME, 2000, XP and Longhorn are dead, move on. That step alone would make the OS much smaller, faster and more secure.

8. Accept the losses
Microsoft is going to lose market share no matter what they do. If they followed this strategy then they would lose market share faster than if they stuck it out with Longhorn but in a few years they would be in a much better position to come back and reclaim what they had lost.

Wrapping it up

So, there you have it. The current state of the Longhorn, a prediction of things to come and a few hints for the folks in Redmond. It will be fun to watch what happens in the industry in the next few years. We will see if I am right. What do you think? What did I miss?

Update
Since I have received so many comments that seem to dwell on the same point let me clarify my position.  I don’t think Microsoft is going to go anywhere soon.  However, I do think that they are on the downturn.  They have reached their peak and now they are in decline.  It will take a long time for their influence to fade (a decade at least) and for a good part of that time they will still be a force to be reconded with.  But that still doesn’t change the fact that, as a company, they are falling instead of rising.

Check out my views on all of Microsoft’s business endeavors (present and future) here:
Microsoft’s Future Prospects

Comments

  • Beeblebrox,

    My company doesn’t hire any of these people.  These are client’s IT staffers.  Yes, you are right. A lot of them are idiots trying to protect their turf at their employer’s expense.  Something we have no control over and really don’t want any.  I don’t hate them but there is no respect.

    The majority of those items listed in my last post apply to consumers and small businesses (fewer than 20 nodes) go through. This is what they deal with annually.  And to manage these systems they have to go to outside IT sources or install an in-house IT staff to keep it running.  All of these problems have been documented/published by my staff for internal consumption and by various platform agnostic studies.  In fact, if any bias, they leaned towards M$.

    I am very happy for you in that the example to gave you in that your group didn’t experience these problems as the majority of small to middle sized businesses do. 

    One other thing.  I do not speak FUD.  We do not spin.  I am too old and don’t have the time nor the desire and I really don’t have time to remember what I said.

    There is one final fact.  My OSX (Saltpeter, Plum, Apricot, who cares) installed base has none of the problems listed in the previous post.

    Norsk had this to say on Jul 03, 2005 Posts: 8
  • “And MS-DOS, DOS, whatever, is still there.  I could care less about 16, 32 or 64 bit…it is there.  The back door is there and the crackers are still going through it.  End of story.”

    1. The hacker would need to get through the firewall first. This is practically impossible.

    2. The hacker would need administrator privileges to do anything harmful with MS-DOS. Assuming that you are even remotely computer-literate, you will not be running Windows with the administrator account and will have a strong password applied to it. Not only is getting access to the computer near impossible, but even if they get that far it is near impossible to gain administrator privileges.

    3. If the hacker actually had administrator privileges, MS-DOS doesn’t even need to be touched because the hacker has complete control over the system anyways.

    I’m sorry but if anyone is actually experiencing hacks through MS-DOS then you have an idiot savant for a hacker and vegetable for an end user whose brain is so small it risks imploding in on itself.

    I call your bluff.

    “BSOD”

    Bull. Windows XP does NOT have BSODs, they restart themselves. Anything similar to a BSOD is from the computer’s BIOS which means that it is a hardware problem and can occur on any computer regardless of operating system.

    “Freeze ups and lock ups”

    My computer never freezes. Nor does my parents or sister’s. The only “lock ups” I experience are when I explicitly lock the computer using the Windows+L keyboard combination.

    “Multiple daily machine reboots”

    Sounds like bad hardware drivers to me. I’ve only had Windows XP reboot one time because of an error and that was because a stick of RAM died (which is when BIOS gave me the BSOD), replaced the RAM and everything was back to normal again.

    “Directory/Registry failures”

    Never experienced this either.

    “Application incompatabilities”

    Incompatibilities with what? The only program I had an incompatibility with was around the first few weeks of XP’s release and it was a game that was later patched. All of the important software was patched months in advanced.

    “DLL failures”

    You must be deleting files you shouldn’t have been deleting.

    “An average of 9 clean OS installs per year (PC Magazine annual survey).”

    PC Magazine’s readers are typically anal. My XP Pro box, my parents’ XP Pro box, and my sister’s XP Home box, have NEVER been reinstalled and they all run as good now as they did years ago. The computer labs at my school (cisco lab, 2 public computer labs, and 3 class-only labs totaling around 100 computers) have never been reformatted either and they run nicely too (I know this because my Cisco teacher was also the IT guy who maintained the computers.) There’s no reason to reinstall Windows besides installing bad hardware drivers.

    megamanXplosion had this to say on Jul 03, 2005 Posts: 11
  • There is one final fact.  My OSX (Saltpeter, Plum, Apricot, who cares) installed base has none of the problems listed in the previous post.

    Neither did my XP network.  And that’s also a fact.  What does that prove?

    One other thing.  I do not speak FUD.

    Oh no?

    So what does Windows bring to the table.  What are the benefits?:

    BSOD
    Freeze ups and lock ups
    Multiple daily machine reboots
    Directory/Registry failures
    Application incompatabilities
    DLL failures
    An average of 9 clean OS installs per year (PC Magazine annual survey).

    You’re saying this is what to expect if you install an XP network.  That’s the very definition of FUD.

    Beeblebrox had this to say on Jul 03, 2005 Posts: 2220
  • ^ “besides installing bad hardware drivers”—and that only requires an upgrade installation, not a clean one. There is absolutely no reason to perform a clean installation of XP.

    megamanXplosion had this to say on Jul 03, 2005 Posts: 11
  • Who remembers Windows 95? Windows ME? Windows XP? Office 97?

    All were MIcrosoft’s death knell - or so some pundits warned.

    - Windows 95 wasn’t a patch on Mac OS. It couldn’t possibly succeed.

    - Windows ME was the most buggy OS MS has released - I knew very few IT support people who didn’t shudder at it’s mention

    - XP was late and again short of many key features and most IT managers I know, didn’t considerl it out until SP1.

    - Office 97 they changed the file formats.  This really upset a lot of people, and is still referred to today, 8 years later.

    But MS survived all these “blunders”.

    Longhorn is late, will be missing key features, but history proves that users will tolerate that.

    And if you don’t believe… OS X wasn’t considered a truly decent and usable system until Jaguar, it’s third iteration.  And each version of OS X is not considered really reliable until the second or third update.

    Yet Apple survive. We don’t write articles saying they’re going under because Tiger is buggy.

    When Longhorn comes out, I expect a similar scenario to Windows 95…

    The media will gush over it. But also tell us it is a bit buggy and to wait for SP1 if you don’t really need it. And they will say it is missing some features that OS X already has, but it’s still worth it - and they will be added later anyway.

    Longhorn, like Windows 95, will succeed despite itself.

    PS For an Apple site, we sure do spend a lot of time talking about Microsoft!

    Chris Howard had this to say on Jul 03, 2005 Posts: 1209
  • PS For an Apple site, we sure do spend a lot of time talking about Microsoft!

    Being a Mac user seems to be as much about being anti-Microsoft as it is pro-Apple.  I think they call that the “short man” syndrome.  smile

    I’m pro both.  I like Macs and I like Windows.  I use MS Office on both.  I prefer FCP to Premiere but Flash works much better on the PC than the Mac.  They’re both stable, reliable, and have their advantages.

    But I will agree about one thing:  Windows ME was the crappiest OS I’ve ever used…ever.  The second crappiest (in relation to its contemporaries) was OS 9.

    Beeblebrox had this to say on Jul 03, 2005 Posts: 2220
  • Beeblebrox,

    What did you think of Winn’s article? Did you read it? What is he doing wrong? I must point out that I am not being antagonistic here, but I genuinely want your opinion. Why does someone like him have so many problems with Windows? He is running networks like you and is a security expert. What is he doing wrong? I guess you’d like to know that too.

    And another thing. I interpret from above that you don’t run anti-spyware (correct me if I am wrong, but you say you only run AVG and nothing else). How do you know that you don’t have spyware if you are not running the software to detect it? Is there another way of knowing? If there is I would like to know.

    I fully agree with your BMW analogy. I also agree that to take one person’s poor experience with XP and generalise to the whole is weak. But I was taking your original argument on its own merits, not in comparison to others. Any good argument must be able to withstand scrutiny by itself.

    If you are able to do very little maintenance on your XP and still have a great system then that is fantastic. I would also love to know how to do that auto maintenance that MegamanXplosion does to save me time.

    But remember I did say that of all our systems our OS is probably the only thing in common. Our hardware and other software would be all different. Perhaps people’s different experiences with XP comes down to that and perhaps a Mac’s perceived stability comes down to the way apple controls the hardware. Who knows.

    But I do believe that the point is this. Most people, from what I have read and discussed, need to actively maintain their XP systems in some way. Even you run anti-virus software which needs updating, albeit automatically. Even considering that maintenance can be done automatically ala MegamanXplosion, it is important to note that a Mac (currently) needs none of that! Many people run this maintenance stuff on Windows just in case they have a problem. And this takes time to do. Time that I would rather spend doing something else. Over the weekend, there was an article saying that an unprotected computer would only be safe for 12 minutes on the internet without being infected in some say. Other people have said that this has actually happened to them. Whether these stories are true or not is not the point, but rather that gven the possibility that it might happen, I would be negligent not to take steps to protect my system appropriately in ways that I know how using commonly recommended techniques. I know however that at the moment I do not need to take these steps with my Mac. And so for me the conclusion is simple.

    Not only does updating antspyware etc take time, but also writing these things. So I must finish it there and get back to work.

    Rob

    Whatever!!! had this to say on Jul 03, 2005 Posts: 7
  • both beeblebrox and Megaman:

    When you have my experience and the experience of those around me along with the overseeing of product deployment/support on 5000 plus machines (active and not counting the countless machines/networks and installs since Ethernet came into being) across dozens of networks both small and large of which 2/3rds are Windows based and of those half are on Xtra Pain and the other half on 98 with a few on Win2K (the real world has installed less than 50% of their boxes with XP and the majority of the rest of are still running 98 or 2K and in my world you have to deal with it all.  It all has to work, period)...then and only then will you have the real world, hands on, case histories and examples of Windows behavior and knowledge to make the observations based on what really happens in the business world not just Mom or the IT guy at school or your friend down the street with his Windows box or the the company with the 15 computer WinXP network over on Clark Street.

    Now, with all of that in mind, if any or all of those security/functionality problems were present with OS X then I would be stating those issues as well.  But they are not.  That is the reality.  Not FUD.  FUD by it’s very perspective/definition is based on lies and half truths…not the truth.

    I really don’t care about the Mac vs Windows thing.  We must have systems that work in a network environment day in and day out and Windows does not provide us that level of acceptable dependability without the expenditure of considerable treasure.  There is another way and it is UNIX.  And when M$ removes all of the ‘problems’ then we will have another option won’t we.

    Can’t continue this thread.  Have too many people waiting to get their work done so that they can do real business not theorize as to how they are going to do business and meet deadlines to fill orders.

    Norsk had this to say on Jul 03, 2005 Posts: 8
  • Woof, I leave for a few hours and all hell breaks loose…

    Anyway, the comparison of virus’s to marketshare was simple, regardless of security measures the virus folks are going to target the biggest target, plain and simple.  Targetting Mac users with a virus is almost a waste of time, would anyone even notice?  Why unleash your frustrations on only a small percentage of the population when you can screw with the masses?  It’s adolescent logic and it’s finest and most destructive.  It wasn’t a statement on who was more secure, just who the larger target audience is.

    My Mac Mini is 512MB and from time to time is slow as a slug, I’m starting to wonder what’s wrong with it actually - my iBook runs circles around it and they really should be on pretty equal footing if you just go by specs.  There isn’t anything abnormal running in the background that I’ve noticed, it just seems to hiccup quite a bit.  Granted, I wasn’t looking for it to be a powerhouse - it’s just an oddity with it that I’ve found.

    Finally, the XP systems I’ve had trouble with - well, there are quite a few - but lately it’s been a Dell XPS Gen 5.  This sucker is supposed to be the supreme gaming system on the planet and it’s basically a wreck.  Whether this is XP related or Dell related I really don’t know, I got out of the tech diagnostic and repair field a couple of months ago just to save my sanity and I really just grew tired of caring about making things work anymore.  I’m shipping it back to Dell on Tuesday to see what they think about it.  It’s almost my opinion at this time that XP is getting a little too long in the tooth for some of the latest hardware.  I know I ran Counter-Strike Source on it with balls-out high performance settings and was pretty disappointed by how sluggish it seemed.  I then compared the same thing on an AMD Athlon XP 3000 w/ a GeForce 5700 and IT was faster (the Dell is an Intel 3.6 or something with an ATI X850XT PCIe and 4GB of RAM btw).

    It’s interesting that this thread has pretty much taken over the entire board here for this holiday weekend - I assume that was the intent really as the original message was somewhat bizarre.  Here again, Microsoft staying afloat (as if they are sinking) serves to benefit the entire computing community anyway - Apple included.  The debate of which is better is about as ridiculous as Amiga vs. Atari ST, no wait - as stupid as Commodore 64 vs. Apple II, or was it Atari 5200 vs. Colecovision?  In the end, some 20 years from now, we’ll all just look back on this and laugh anyway.

    dickrichards2000 had this to say on Jul 03, 2005 Posts: 112
  • What this thread has proved is all computers are crap.

    And if you want to know why, you’ll just have to wait for my next article on Wednesday. :D

    Chris Howard had this to say on Jul 04, 2005 Posts: 1209
  • “And another thing. I interpret from above that you don’t run anti-spyware (correct me if I am wrong, but you say you only run AVG and nothing else). How do you know that you don’t have spyware if you are not running the software to detect it? Is there another way of knowing? If there is I would like to know.”

    It does seem like a strange comment to make. I know I’m spyware-free because I have Spybot Search & Destroy, Microsoft Anti-Spyware, Adaware, and my anti-virus solution (Kapsersky Anti-Virus) scans spyware too. Of course, I’m a very anal person and going to that extreme really isn’t necessary. Anyways, I fail to see how you can claim you’re spyware-free if you do not have an anti-spyware tool (unless AVG started removing spyware since I last checked.)

    “If you are able to do very little maintenance on your XP and still have a great system then that is fantastic. I would also love to know how to do that auto maintenance that MegamanXplosion does to save me time.”

    http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=15600170

    Read that article and you’ll have a good idea how to keep Windows maintained without putting in extraneous effort. Don’t be afraid to break away and do things that weren’t mentioned in the article (trigger your anti-spyware solutions.) Feel free to ask any questions you might have.

    “When you have my experience and the experience of those around me along with the overseeing of product deployment/support on 5000 plus machines (active and not counting the countless machines/networks and installs since Ethernet came into being) across dozens of networks both small and large of which 2/3rds are Windows based and of those half are on Xtra Pain and the other half on 98 with a few on Win2K (the real world has installed less than 50% of their boxes with XP and the majority of the rest of are still running 98 or 2K and in my world you have to deal with it all.  It all has to work, period)...then and only then will you have the real world, hands on, case histories and examples of Windows behavior and knowledge to make the observations based on what really happens in the business world not just Mom or the IT guy at school or your friend down the street with his Windows box or the the company with the 15 computer WinXP network over on Clark Street.”

    I thought our debate was about how good the latest (XP) and newest (LH) consumer-versions of Windows was, not previous versions. I could easily say that all of the machines I have OS9 on run unreliably, but what would that prove? It seems to me that you are hell-bent determined to prove that Windows is a peice of junk even though you know the problem is with the IT management your clients dragged in.

    “Now, with all of that in mind, if any or all of those security/functionality problems were present with OS X then I would be stating those issues as well.  But they are not.  That is the reality.  Not FUD.  FUD by it’s very perspective/definition is based on lies and half truths…not the truth.”

    FUD is: fear, uncertainty, and doubt. That sounds like the same things you try to get across in every response you’ve made (go back and read your posts, this is the pattern: I’m a professional and here’s my resume, and I think Micro$oft Windoze sucks, my company avoids it like the plague so you should too!)

    megamanXplosion had this to say on Jul 04, 2005 Posts: 11
  • Megaman said everything I wanted to say in response to Norsk, but I just want to add that you can lord that resume of yours all you want.  I set up a successful XP network of 10 machines in a fast-paced, graphics-intensive production environment, with no problems at all.  You and your colleagues can’t seem to set up a network with as few as 20 machines without daily system crashes and downtime that costs your company thousands of dollars in lost productivity.  What’s so impressive about that?

    Beeblebrox had this to say on Jul 04, 2005 Posts: 2220
  • Whether this is XP related or Dell related I really don’t know

    Don’t you think that’s important when you’re basically blaming XP and XP alone for your lockups, while some of us using XP have nothing like your problems with it?

    I think comparing the Mac mini with your Ibook is a good example.  The OS is exactly the same but one is way more sluggish than the other.  I experience that as well, but I don’t blame the OS.  I blame the hardware.  While my laptop destroys the Mac mini in rendering tests, I’m fully aware that my brothers dual 2.0 Ghz Powermac would probably run circles around my laptop.  That’s all hardware related, not the OS.

    Beeblebrox had this to say on Jul 04, 2005 Posts: 2220
  • Most people, from what I have read and discussed, need to actively maintain their XP systems in some way. Even you run anti-virus software which needs updating, albeit automatically. Even considering that maintenance can be done automatically ala MegamanXplosion, it is important to note that a Mac (currently) needs none of that!

    I don’t think there’s any question that XP is more vulnerable to spyware and viruses than OSX.  But that has nothing to do with the assertions about stability, daily system crashes, and lock ups.  I don’t know what these guys are doing to their computers or where they got them; all I know is I experience none of that.

    To clarify my statement earlier, I run AVG in the background and nothing else.  On occassion, I will run Spybot and Adware, just as a precaution, and I never find anything.  That’s a far cry from the hours a day, week, or month that some people CLAIM they spend ridding their computer of spyware and viruses (and they’re almost always Mac users, go figure).  The reality is that you have to be utterly careless to infect your computer with that many viruses or spyware.  And I have my doubts as to whether or not these guys are really that careless.

    Beeblebrox had this to say on Jul 04, 2005 Posts: 2220
  • pardon me for interupting…
    i’m just another guy owns a computer for websurfing.

    zero computer expertise whatsoever…
    [like most computer users]

    how would you like to think from my perspective?

    would you choose an XP to surf the web…? or a Mac…?

    simpleuser had this to say on Jul 04, 2005 Posts: 2
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